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August 21st, 2017

John Chandler

Latasha Morrison, the founder of Be the Bridge, joined us to talk about the Gospel nature of racial reconciliation.

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Matthew 13:24-43 (Sermon 2017.08.13)

August 18th, 2017


This week Jamie McCormick leads a discussion with Leah Gonzalez and Jason Carrion on Matthew 13:24-43.


Matthew 13:1-9, 18-23 (Sermon 2017.08.06)

August 18th, 2017


Our Community Developer, Chris Morton shares with us from Matthew 13:1-9, 18-23.


Matthew 11:16-30 (Sermon 2017.07.30)

August 18th, 2017


Member of the AMS leadership team, April Karli brings us a message from Matthew 11:16-30.


Luke 12:49-53 (Sermon 2017.07.23)

July 24th, 2017


This week Gena Minnix shares with us from Luke 12:49-53.


What is Good Conflict?

Luke 12:49-53

The scripture passage for today invites us into a conversation about conflict.

So we’ll look at that passage in just a moment, but before we do, I’d like to begin by sharing a story you may have heard if you’ve been listening to the Invisibilia podcast on NPR. It was such a compelling story a group of artists got together and made a video to go along with it.

The story begins with a group of friends, several couples and their school age children, who had gathered together one summer evening for a dinner party at one of the family’s homes.

So let’s take a listen.

So, I’ll pick up the story from there – we discover the hand belonged to a stranger who’d entered the backyard through an unlocked gate.

The man was wearing a clean pair of sweats. He aimed the barrel first at the Michael’s wife, and then at their friend, and he began demanding that the group hand over their money.

But they didn’t have any. And Michael recalls his adrenaline surged and he thought, this is going to end with someone getting hurt.

So conflict…

I’ll return to this story in a bit, but first I’d like to get some feedback from you all.

When we think about conflict here are a few things that might come to mind: a fight or battle, a struggle for power or property, opposing or incompatible needs.

So when you think about conflict, what words or phrases come to your mind, associated with that word conflict? Just call them out.

How many of you, by a show of hands, would say you like to avoid conflict when possible? You find it worrisome or stressful?

How many of you would say you feel energized by it? You may even seek it out?

It’s possible both conflict avoiders and conflict seekers may feel equally misunderstood and frustrated by one another.

My hope is that we’ll leave here this morning thinking about conflict in some new ways.

Because for most of us, I think conflict has become synonymous with violence. So we can’t conceive of a way to wage good conflict that doesn’t inflict harm of some kind, whether physically or psychologically.

But what if I were to suggest that conflict may be an essential component of love? And that learning to wage it well may be an important spiritual practice?

Our scripture passage today gives us a window into how Jesus thinks about and engages with conflict.

So with that said, our scripture passage for today is Luke 12:49-53…

-49 [And the Lord said] “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! 51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.

52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” – Luke 12:49-53

So perhaps the first thing that stands out in this passage is Jesus speaking about his distress over the conflict he finds himself in.

49 “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! – Luke 12:49-50

For Jesus, the conflict is both physical and metaphorical. Physically he’s at odds with those who want him dead. He’s also in a philosophical struggle with religious teachers who are harming the poor. And over and over he finds himself in relational conflict with his loved ones trying to discourage him from doing what he needs to do.

Jesus is no stranger to conflict.

I often speak on the value of relational connection with God and with one another.

I’d like to invite us to consider the possibility that disconnection might play an equally important role in loving God and loving others.

That to become more like Christ is to become better at conflict.

Here’s a side note.

For someone with my personality, conflict itself can seem like the enemy because it threatens that which I desire most—harmony and for us all to keep our heart rates low and use our inside voices.

So the fact that I’m preaching on this need is evidence that God is real and will do strange things in our lives.

49 “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! – Luke 12:49-50

“I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished.”

Throughout his life, Jesus was intimately acquainting himself with the pain of those on the margins.

Living with injustices not yet resolved causes us all distress – whether we recognize it or not.

And also stress arises just out of being in relationship with those who are different from us.

Difference by nature is stressful – sometimes we find that stress fascinating. More often it feels maddening.

In his book Everything Belongs, Richard Rhor writes about how the spiritual life helps us transcend our personal egos.

According to Rhor, suffering and distress is an effective way in which this can happen. He says it like this:

“In terms of soul work, we dare not get rid of the pain before we have learned what it has to teach us.” – Richard Rhor

Now, I don’t read that and take it to mean that pain in general is always good or there’s always a lesson in it, I don’t believe that. Violence that leads to physical or psychological harm is not good stress. It doesn’t help us transcend – in fact it can do the opposite.

But I believe there’s a difference between good stress and harmful stress – and part of our work is learning to tell the difference, to remove ourselves from harmful situations but hold up better under tension that is beneficial.

Parker Palmer is a Quaker who holds that much of the war and violence in our world comes from our inability to hold tension.

He says we tend to collapse it prematurely before it has time to transform us. So he teaches, “sometimes our job is to hold the tension created by others — and sometimes our job is to create tension that is necessary.”

Last year, I attended a gathering of theological educators and sat next to a theologian and a leading author in Black theology and I asked him about a book he’d published on racial tensions within the church.

And at a certain moment in the conversation, he pointed to a corner of the room and then he said something I’ve been thinking about ever since.

He said, “You see I believe tension is good – we should feel grateful for it. You see where those two walls meet?

They’re in tension, and that’s what’s holding the roof up.”

Here’s what I took from that. When we lean into meaningful differences between us, we’ll undoubtedly experience some of that good stress that holds important values up between us. So how might we learn to tolerate that stress better?

49 “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!  – Luke 12:49-50


One helpful thing Jesus models here is simply not avoiding the stress of good conflict. And here’s what I mean by that.

Whereas after a difficult interaction with a coworker or a friend, we may be inclined to numb our stress…

Instead, Jesus has an emotion and he lets himself really feel it… “How great is my distress!”

Words spoken in sincerity… from someone in a position of power – a leader, a respected teacher – who is refusing to collapse tension prematurely… but instead is letting it break him apart and transform him.

How does he do that? How does Jesus manage to feel his feelings so completely?

Practicing Good Conflict:

  • Contemplation

My guess is contemplation. Contemplation just means silent prayer – sitting prayer– it’s a practice that as we engage it, it teaches us to see our ego more clearly – we start to become familiar with the unhelpful stories we tell ourselves –and we begin to hold those stories more loosely, and allow for the possibility that God may be up to something we don’t fully understand.

So if we want to learn to wage good conflict, we can start by not avoiding it – and practicing contemplation, so we can better tolerate the stress it brings us. Make sense?

Alright, let’s keep going. Jesus says this next.

51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.

Luke 12:51

So… this is a way we haven’t often heard Jesus talk. One way we might hear this is he’s saying, I’m fixing to bring about some positive changes – and that is not always a peaceful process.

Another place in the gospels he says almost the exact same thing – except the word is a sword.

Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.  Luke 12:51

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.   Matthew 10:34

Now these can be troubling passages. Jason and I worked with the Quakers up in Oregon and they have a peace practice of refusing weapons or violent confrontation of any kind. They believe that’s what Jesus meant by loving our enemies.  Now, I know Christians who feel differently.

But suffice to say, we have no stories of Jesus engaging in violence towards another human being. Not when he’s angry in the temple. Not when he’s threatened. Not ever.

So, how then do we reconcile this bit about division and a sword?

Here’s how I’ve come to think about it. First, the same word here for sword is used in other passages metaphorically- as something able to divide soul and spirit, or the intentions of the heart.

And so, I wonder if Jesus is referring here to the important role that division often plays in bringing about positive change in us and among us.

Connection is meaningful and beautiful. It tends to make us feel warm and safe. It doesn’t however always help us mature as people. My research has led me to believe that growth tends to happen more when we engage in meaningful disconnection, conflict, division if you will.

That does not however, that does not however, require violence. In fact, I would suggest that violence typically prevents us from growing. Now, take a look at the people around you in this room – would you say violence is much of a problem here? Our issue may actually be the opposite – valuing our connection so much we feel hesitant to allow for any type of disconnection.

So that leads us to the question – where are the really effective paradigms for how to wage effective nonviolent conflict for positive change?

You may have been asking the same question.

Well, so far we’ve been looking at interpersonal conflict, but here’s an example on a bit larger scale.

This is Jamila Raquib, She was born in Afghanistan and her early years were filled with the trauma of war. She learned that if people see violence as their only choice – they will continue to perpetuate that harm.  She says growing up she thought there must be a tool at least as powerful and effective as violence, to bring about change.

Raquib has now spent thirteen years teaching about effective nonviolent conflict.

She says, people have been using nonviolent action to produce positive change for thousands of years– because human rights do not tend to be automatically shared, even by people of the same faith and culture – instead, they tend to be negotiated through effective, nonviolent conflict.

And learning this art form requires patience, practice, discipline, creativity, and good relational skills. Take a look at this example, I found it really interesting.

So there are a lot of things we could learn from that story. The woman who started the movement by the way was 53 years old, a wife and mother, with no prior activist experience. I don’t believe in formulas, but I do believe nonviolent action can be surprisingly effective.

And here is one more thing I take from this story.

When two needs – like for instance the needs of the individual and the needs of the community– are in tension – how do we hold both as equally valuable and resist the temptation to collapse the tension between them in a way that does violence to one or the other?

51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.

Luke 12:51

It may sound strange– but I wonder what it might look like for us to engage whatever growth-fostering division Christ might bring us, and to do it gracefully?

I don’t have the answer, but I do have one suggestion for us.

Practicing Good Conflict:

  • Contemplation
  • Engaging differences

Perhaps, in addition to building our tolerance for good tension, we might practice engaging our differences more and more effectively. And I think there are many ways we already do this well. But here’s one example. Say someone behaves in a way I find off-putting, or says something I don’t like, perhaps instead of just moving on to the next person, maybe we slow things down… become curious… begin to wonder what this person might have to teach me about human beings – or about myself. Even if it feels disconnective.

And indeed that’s exactly what research has found makes for the most growth-fostering relationships. It’s the movement – the dance – between connection and disconnection and reconnection – where we tend to thrive and grow most as human beings.

So… not avoiding it, practicing contemplation, and engaging our differences – three ways we can get better at good conflict for positive change.

Okay, so wrapping up, Jesus concludes by saying this.

52 “For from now on, in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” – Luke 12:52-53

So what’s Jesus is saying here?

I suggest he’s not in fact prescribing anything, but rather describing the likely outcome of the positive change he’s about to bring.

That whereas before, pretty much the whole household was expected to go along with the patriarch or the oldest son– in the new paradigm every member is valued equally.

And that will not always go over well with those accustomed to more power and privilege.

And… I do not believe that broken relationships are always inevitable.

Because I know of many, many instances, where community members were faced with a positive change and were able to allow the tensions in that process to mature and transform them.

And I haven’t always thought this, but anymore these days, here’s how I think that happens.

52 “From now on, in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” – Luke 12:52-53

“They will be divided, father against son, mother against daughter, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law…”

I think it may be through our close friends and family members. People who know us intimately. People who’ve seen us in  pajamas, we visit in the hospital, whose funerals we’ll help  plan.

Because our loved ones have access to parts of our brains and hearts that no one else does, and vice versa.

And so it makes sense then that when a sweeping positive change is on the horizon, the tension will be felt most acutely between friends and family members who find themselves at different stages of the process.

And I want to say… that’s okay. That’s where we are invited to practice good conflict by engaging our differences, allowing expectations to be defied, allowing some surprises to emerge around the dinner table.

That’s where we might practice “flipping the script”.

I borrowed that term from the podcast I mentioned at the beginning. They use the phrase to describe when a person gives a response vastly different – or even opposite – of what’s expected. And when the difference is positive, it can have a dramatic impact.

Let’s end by picking that story back up.

So this group of friends and their children were gathered after dinner, sitting in the back yard drinking wine when a stranger enters through the back gate, holding a gun.

And the man said, “Give me your money or I’m going to start f’ing shooting.”

Michael was there with his 14 yr old daughter and he says the friends started scrambling to think of a way to prevent the violence that seemed inevitable.

Michael says at first they tried guilt. Someone said to the man, “What would your mother think of you right now?”

And the man said, “I don’t have an f-ing mother.”

So things were looking pretty bad. And then something surprising happened.

He said, “I think I’ve come to the wrong place.”

And they’re like, “We get it. These things happen.” We’ll address that in a moment.

But Michael says the man then did something even more strange. He said, “Can I get a hug?”

So they came around him and hugged him. And the man said he was sorry. And then he turned and walked out the gate with his glass of wine.

Now, I don’t believe there’s a one size fits all strategy for every situation.

What I did find compelling about this story was the reason the journalists gave for why this scene unfolded the way it did. And that explanation is rooted in the idea that as people, we tend to naturally mirror each other, so warmth begets warmth, hostility begets hostility. And breaking this pattern – being warm when someone is being hostile – is really difficult to do. And when people do manage it, it often seems like a miracle.

“Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you.”

Perhaps flipping the script is one of the most powerful ways we can practice waging good conflict.

Practicing Good Conflict:

  • Contemplation
  • Engaging our differences
  • Flipping the script

The more we practice, the more we build our tolerance for tension, the more we sit in contemplative prayer, I do believe these small things can make a big difference.

Michael ends the story by saying later that evening, after everything had calmed down, they would find that wine glass neatly placed on the sidewalk by their alley.

Not shattered, not carelessly discarded… placed.

Defying expectations.

49 {And the Lord Said} “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!”


Mark 6:7-12 (Sermon 2017.07.16)

July 21st, 2017


Chris Morton delves into the question “does Jesus have something he wants me to do with my life?”


Matthew 9:35-10:8 (Sermon 2017.07.09)

July 14th, 2017


AMS was so happy to have Mary Whitehurst join us and share from Matthew 9:35-10:8.

Mary Whitehurst is a native of Memphis, TN, but currently lives with her husband and 5 year old son (both named Jamar) in Hutto, TX. She received a Bachelor’s in Social Work from TCU and is currently pursuing a Master of Divinity degree at the George W. Truett Theological Seminary. Mary has a heart for ministering to girls and young women in crisis and currently works full time at Austin LifeCare as the Director of Pregnancy and Family Services.


Song of Solomon 8 (Sermon 2017.7.2)

July 5th, 2017


Kevin Jordan shares from Song of Solomon 8.

The Song of Songs (also known as the Song of Solomon) is a passionate love song depicting the love shared between a bridegroom and his bride. Traditionally, though, it has also been understood to be an allegory or a picture of God’s love, particularly the love of Jesus Christ (the Bridegroom) for His bride, the Church and the Church’s love in response.

Song of Songs 8:6-7:

Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy
unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame.Many waters cannot quench love;
rivers cannot wash it away. If one were to give all the wealth of his house for love, it would be utterly scorned.

From Kevin:

In the words of the Apostle Paul from Ephesians 3:17-19, “I pray that (we), being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that (we) may be filled with the measure of all the fullness of God.” Amen.

How many of you have ever been bullied by the strong hand of death?

At the age of eighteen I left home to go to college. . .and I never again saw my mom healthy. Within a
year she was dead, her body ravaged by cancer. . .

Death, like a bully, pushes in uninvited, wreaking havoc in our lives, leaving in its wake tremendous pain
and grief. . .

Some of you in this room know exactly what I’m talking about: You too have been struck, stung, even
slammed and wounded by the strong hand of death.

Have you ever been pursued, captured, and held captive by the Strong Hand of Love, the Strong Hand
of God’s Love, which according to the Bible here in Song of Songs 8, is “as strong as death”?

“I could never myself believe in a God, if it were not for the cross. The only God I believe in is the One
Nietzshe ridiculed as ‘God on the cross’. In the real world of pain, how could one worship a God who was
immune to it? I have entered many Buddhist temples in different Asian countries and stood respectfully
before the statue of the Buddha, his legs crossed, arms folded, eyes closed, the ghost of a smile playing
round his mouth, a remote look on his face, detached from the agonies of the world. But each time after a
while I have had to turn away. And in my imagination, I have turned instead to that lonely, twisted,
tortured figure on the cross, nails through hands and feet, back lacerated, limbs wrenched, brow bleeding
from thorn-pricks, mouth dry and intolerably thirsty, plunged in God-forsaken darkness. That is God for
me! He laid aside his immunity to pain. He entered our world of flesh and blood, tears and death. He
suffered for us. Our sufferings become more manageable in the light of his. There is still a question mark
against human suffering, but over it we boldly stamp another mark, the cross which symbolizes divine
suffering.” (John Stott, The Cross of Christ, pp.335-336).

Have you been set free from the strong hand of death?

Do you know the Strong Hand of Love—God’s love in Jesus Christ?


Matthew 7:21-29 (Sermon 2017.06.25)

June 26th, 2017


Shane Blackshear shares from Matthew 7:21-29 and discusses faith, doubt, and how the body of the church can and should help us establish the rock that we build our house on.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practiceis like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.


Matthew 6:24-34 (Sermon 2017.06.18)

June 22nd, 2017


This past Sunday, Ashley Blackwell led us through Matthew 6:24-34.

No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 

Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life? “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 

Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 

For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Jesus, the Sermon on the Mount

  • “Trust involves the juxtaposition of people’s loftiest hopes and aspirations with their deepest worries and fears.” Jeffry A. Simpson
  • “The way we relate to people, situations, and even God is determined, to a significant degree, by the nature of our relationship with our parents when we were very young. This doesn’t mean that what happened when we were little children is totally determinative and we are locked into roles and perceptions for the rest of our lives, nor does it mean that sinful behavior is excusable and should be blamed on your parents. What it does mean is that we do need a clear understanding of the hills some of us have yet to climb along the highway of both emotional and spiritual maturity.” Tim Clinton and Joshua Straub, The God Attachment
  • “In the face of many of the things I interpreted as a kid as being a negative commentary on my self-worth, the Lord showed me that I am loveable and infinitely precious in His eyes. And he caused me to experience this. In the face of the abandonment I experienced, the Lord said to me, ‘I will never leave you or forsake you’…My question still remains, but Christ has won my trust in Him by showing me His beauty – the beauty of a love, a grace, a tenderness, a gentle strength which no mere human could ever match. He won my love and trust through the healing compassion of His eyes and the warm understanding of His embrace. He provided an understanding in the heart which the mind could never grasp.” Greg and Edward Boyd, Letters from a Skeptic